Comments on: Alternatives http://www.eastcountyaction.org Join us in our battle against the Sunrise Powerlink Thu, 06 May 2010 03:36:30 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.9.1 hourly 1 By: cindy buxton http://www.eastcountyaction.org/options-to-power/comment-page-1/#comment-167 cindy buxton Wed, 06 May 2009 03:14:24 +0000 http://www.eastcountyaction.org/?page_id=89#comment-167 Thank you thank you Ken. Brainstorming is excellent. First and formost this line isn't needed. The information above is really good. I think there was about 250 pages of DC info and comments in the massive EIS responses. I was fascinated. Everytime I bring up DC or any other idea someone says "oh you cant do that" . Well this line isn't needed and we oppose it everywhere. Even Dave Hogan mentioned in his comments to the south route's second round of eis updates that if it has to go than underground between the freeway is way better than where they propose it now or any of the other wire routes. Who among us could argue? WHY can't SDG&E share with Caltrans? How come 3000 lives are directly in limbo and a million will see it every day, but this wasn't one of the plans on the table? If this were really necessary and would cure global warming than the price is worth it. BUT OF COUURSE IT ISN'T NEEDED ANYWHERE! jUST making sure that if we are facinated by the technology we are still in agreement that this is a farce from the beginning. However, along with coming up with ways to cool a DC line,so that energy isn't lost due to heat,which the current overhead model is horribly inefficient, another way to be more efficient, since those lines can be well over 300 degrees seems if it was underground than the lines could also be surrounded by water. --and you say water boils at 212? yep it does, which makes steam which turns generators, perhaps small local ones along the way. The water can be recaptured and recycled in a closed system. Better than a 300 degree line on the ground by accident? Somewhere a few people said undergrounded is still distructive, and they are so right. I'm completely on board with that path. Why do this and pay for it for 50 years if it isn't needed ? But we just demonstrated the ability to generate new ideas. I think the notes above are right about the converters getting cheaper, and I had not thought about the east to west thing. Well one thing is apparent, when they aren't paying the stockholders they get real about people and science. Does that feed any OTHER ideas??? I want to watch that movie, a crisis of ignorance now. Thank you thank you Ken. Brainstorming is excellent. First and formost this line isn’t needed. The information above is really good. I think there was about 250 pages of DC info and comments in the massive EIS responses. I was fascinated. Everytime I bring up DC or any other idea someone says “oh you cant do that” . Well this line isn’t needed and we oppose it everywhere. Even Dave Hogan mentioned in his comments to the south route’s second round of eis updates that if it has to go than underground between the freeway is way better than where they propose it now or any of the other wire routes. Who among us could argue?
WHY can’t SDG&E share with Caltrans? How come 3000 lives are directly in limbo and a million will see it every day, but this wasn’t one of the plans on the table?

If this were really necessary and would cure global warming than the price is worth it. BUT OF COUURSE IT ISN’T NEEDED ANYWHERE! jUST making sure that if we are facinated by the technology we are still in agreement that this is a farce from the beginning. However, along with coming up with ways to cool a DC line,so that energy isn’t lost due to heat,which the current overhead model is horribly inefficient, another way to be more efficient, since those lines can be well over 300 degrees seems if it was underground than the lines could also be surrounded by water. –and you say water boils at 212? yep it does, which makes steam which turns generators, perhaps small local ones along the way. The water can be recaptured and recycled in a closed system. Better than a 300 degree line on the ground by accident?

Somewhere a few people said undergrounded is still distructive, and they are so right. I’m completely on board with that path. Why do this and pay for it for 50 years if it isn’t needed ? But we just demonstrated the ability to generate new ideas. I think the notes above are right about the converters getting cheaper, and I had not thought about the east to west thing. Well one thing is apparent, when they aren’t paying the stockholders they get real about people and science. Does that feed any OTHER ideas???

I want to watch that movie, a crisis of ignorance now.

]]> By: Ken http://www.eastcountyaction.org/options-to-power/comment-page-1/#comment-31 Ken Sat, 28 Mar 2009 15:11:25 +0000 http://www.eastcountyaction.org/?page_id=89#comment-31 Don't know, but there was a Midwestern company, a subsidary of William's Gas if I remember right that converted existing gas pipelines into fiber optic conduits. Creative use of pipes that might otherwise have been ignored. Is such an idea possible here? Do we have pipelines we can use for protected underground electrical line conduits. A friend of mine and I thought the pipes could be flooded with argon or CO2, to eliminate fire liability. CO2 is easy to get, back up the electrical truck when you're done working on the line and plug in the exhaust to the pipe. Write your job up while you wait for the pipe to reach CO2 saturation limits. To borrow an idea of a favorite English teacher of mine, "Brainstorming puts all ideas out there, no matter how crazy they might seem." In doing that, you might find an idea or two you'd never have thought of that really works. Don’t know, but there was a Midwestern company, a subsidary of William’s Gas if I remember right that converted existing gas pipelines into fiber optic conduits. Creative use of pipes that might otherwise have been ignored. Is such an idea possible here? Do we have pipelines we can use for protected underground electrical line conduits. A friend of mine and I thought the pipes could be flooded with argon or CO2, to eliminate fire liability. CO2 is easy to get, back up the electrical truck when you’re done working on the line and plug in the exhaust to the pipe. Write your job up while you wait for the pipe to reach CO2 saturation limits. To borrow an idea of a favorite English teacher of mine, “Brainstorming puts all ideas out there, no matter how crazy they might seem.” In doing that, you might find an idea or two you’d never have thought of that really works.

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